Charm effects causes those affected to treat someone as if they were your best buddy; they don’t actually have any caveats for alignment. A paladin might very well fall prey to a Charm where their best buddy seems to be in a dire situation and asks for a minor evil ( a sacrifice on the paladin’s part) in order to get their buddy out of the situation.
Whereas dominate effects specifically preclude the dominator from issuing commands counter to ethos (not merely alignment mind you, but a Paladin’s Code of Conduct specifically counts) prompts an additional will save immediately.
Not insane, merely adequate (if we’re dealing with regular D&D 3.x). It gets a poor progression and, though Wisdom is a Paladin’s spellcasting ability score, they don’t get enough out of more than a 14 to really bother. What raises it to “adequate” is the Charisma modifier, if they manage to get a decent one (which Madeline probably did, judging by how badly she dumped Intelligence).
The real trouble with Dominating a Paladin is the Code of Conduct, which will probably allow frequent retries on the Will save.
She clearly has good Strength and probably Constitution as well. The only things she can afford to dump are Intelligence and Dexterity, and she can’t afford to dump Dexterity as hard. Of the ability scores she uses, Wisdom is the one she can afford to have the lowest.
I love her pose at the to of the stairs. It reminds me of one of those samurai theme arcade fighting games from the 90s the way she is standing with a victorious pose and her scarf flapping in the wind.
I love the expression on the hipster vampire’s face in the second to last panel. Plus I think I see an advantage of Madeline’s eyes closed fighting style.
I’m reminded of a joke from Super Hero Squad where the villain tried some kind of mind control on the Hulk.
“And you can’t fight without a brain.”
“Hulk do it all the time!”
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You know, I don’t think she’s doing that ironically.
Maybe it’s metaphorically?
I’m beginning to think its just her brother, not her, who’s a hipster
Eat irony?
Is it harder to see when your pupils turn into coiled strings?
Madeline
what happened to your spine
As if this will work on a character with such a low IQ Score
I’m sure some dominatrices do say that, though they probably add “and then beat ’em”.
Time to see how good Madeline’s Will save is !
We may get to see Maddie in seductive, smoldering attire after all?
God, I hope so.
Only ironically of course.
Personally, I wonder how the vamp will get past the “Person not doing anything against their alignment” problem.
If before how.
That’s only an issue with Charm spells and effects. Dominate spells and effects allow you to assume direct control over the target’s actions.
Super D&D nerd here:
Charm effects causes those affected to treat someone as if they were your best buddy; they don’t actually have any caveats for alignment. A paladin might very well fall prey to a Charm where their best buddy seems to be in a dire situation and asks for a minor evil ( a sacrifice on the paladin’s part) in order to get their buddy out of the situation.
Whereas dominate effects specifically preclude the dominator from issuing commands counter to ethos (not merely alignment mind you, but a Paladin’s Code of Conduct specifically counts) prompts an additional will save immediately.
Unless she’s a Paladin of Freedom, in which case she’s immune to Dominate Person.
Or, since this seems to be a mix of 3.5 and 4e, her high charisma lends to a good Will defense.
she should have kicked the body down and kept the head
But is there a mind to dominate????
Baka!
Paladins have insane will saves.
Not insane, merely adequate (if we’re dealing with regular D&D 3.x). It gets a poor progression and, though Wisdom is a Paladin’s spellcasting ability score, they don’t get enough out of more than a 14 to really bother. What raises it to “adequate” is the Charisma modifier, if they manage to get a decent one (which Madeline probably did, judging by how badly she dumped Intelligence).
The real trouble with Dominating a Paladin is the Code of Conduct, which will probably allow frequent retries on the Will save.
Of course Madeline has a good Charisma modifier. I mean, look at her.
No, see, her dumpstat is Int, like most Paladins. She’s probably got a decent Wisdom.
I sure as hell make most of my paladins Int-dumpstats.
She clearly has good Strength and probably Constitution as well. The only things she can afford to dump are Intelligence and Dexterity, and she can’t afford to dump Dexterity as hard. Of the ability scores she uses, Wisdom is the one she can afford to have the lowest.
Depends on how her scores were generated. If she was unlucky on just one set of rolls, it might mean she only needs one dump stat.
Anyone who have seen her fight know that dexterity /cannot/ be her dump stat.
And her wisdom is probably quite high, too, if only for the perception required to fight blindly like she does in her combat trances.
Finally, she is so adorable that her charisma is probably a three-digit number.
I love her pose at the to of the stairs. It reminds me of one of those samurai theme arcade fighting games from the 90s the way she is standing with a victorious pose and her scarf flapping in the wind.
I love the expression on the hipster vampire’s face in the second to last panel. Plus I think I see an advantage of Madeline’s eyes closed fighting style.
Nobody is talking to the doors.
They sure feel left out !
They get a front-row seat and don’t even have to join in. . . I bet the only thing they miss is popcorn. and maybe not that.
Does that shovel come with the chrome plating option?
Being a crazy opposite vampire might make her fall in love with her lack of reflection… ?
Silver plating might work better against current opponents.
I’m reminded of a joke from Super Hero Squad where the villain tried some kind of mind control on the Hulk.
“And you can’t fight without a brain.”
“Hulk do it all the time!”
You know, I wonder if Coolella’s line “You …are a pain in the neck” is the first time a vampire has ever said that TO a victim…
“If you can’t beat ’em, dominate ’em.”
Bow chicka bow wow
Shouldn’t she be wearing leather for that?
I don’t suppose there’s any chance Madeline is actually a paladin of freedom?